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March 25, 2007

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marcus

Sounds like this could really transform the industry. Must be a catch somewhere...?

GreyFlcn

From the sound of it, it's low level medical and municipal solid waste.

Not nuclear waste.

amazingdrx

Plasma torches powered by wind electricity could gasify garbage, or tar sands, coal, and oil underground. A much better alternative than mining. The gas can then be condensed into liquid fuel.

It would be a very low GHG emitting method. The waste heat from condensation could be used to cogenerate electricity.

GAB

I guess the important question is what percentage of our nuclear waste is the low level variety that this system can clean up?

Has there been any more information on the experiments dealing with cryogenic treating of high level wastes?

I'd rather try any of these than bury in under Toronto like todays news story in the star proposes.

Kit P.

Wow, Israel discovers how to make glass. Most of the volume radioactive waste is low level, and most of that is medical. There is nothing dangerous about the radioactivity in low level waste. This is why it can be placed in a properly designed landfill.

The Waste Treatment Plant under construction at Hanford will turn the waste from making plutonium into glass logs. Since the fission products in high level waste will decay faster than they can leach out of the glass, it would also be safe to put the glass logs into a landfill at Hanford. However, it would be even safer (neglecting getting hit by a truck), to put the logs in Yucca Mountain, isolating it from groundwater for a hundred thousand years.

Mike

this doesnt sound any different than the Startech Plasma Converter closed-loop elemental recycling system.

http://www.startech.net

and

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/873aae7bf86c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

Mouseplatterman

Just because the technology basically exists elsewhere, doesn't work for high-level radioactive waste, and could be put in landfills doesn't mean its not worth doing. It generates electricity from things that would need to be put in potentially expensive landfills--what's wrong with that? If the same system could be used to dispose of municipal solid waste (and i dont see why not), landfills could become history. The syngas generated as a by-product (they plan to burn it on-site here, i think) could be used in vehicles, or just power plants. Landfills are major problems in third world countries, and a hassle in the US.

sneakers180

is this the same as plasma torch that westinghouse was sold to new york to clean up love canal- only to abandon it after wec guy carl anderson told bloomington indiana it was only for liquid hazardous waste?

amazingdrx

This sounds like nuclear industry hype motivated by politics and/or stock scamming.

A plasma torch would spread the nuclear waste into the byproducts. The gas used to generate the energy. And then into the air along with plenty of greenhouse gases.

This doesn't treat nuclear waste, it merely spreads it into the atmosphere. another "dump-it-in-the-ocean" type scam? Treatment equated to dilution. Dangerously ridiculous.

Kit P.

Amazingdrx, you have it backwards. This is a volume reduction technology. The radioactive solids are solidified in the glass. The organics are gasified.

It would appear that Amazingdrx is opposed to nuclear medicine. Rabid anti-nukes tried force commercial power plants out of business by making it expensive to dispose of radioactive waste without recognizing other sources of material.

The record of handling radioactive material from commercial nuclear plants is 100% safe in the US. The medical industry has a good record too. Huge benefit very small risk.

amazingdrx

How does the process filter radioactive elements out of the gas before it is burned in the turbines? If it combines garbage and radioactive waste, melts it with a plasma torch, then captures the gas for combustion, how would radioactive contaminants be restricted to the glass byproduct.

Would radioactive elements common to the gas be somehow separated? This would take the kind of gas diffusion separation used for uranium processing. Separate carbon 12 from carbon 14? Or similar radioactive isotopes from non-radioactive elements? Separate hydrogen from tritium?

This doesn't really treat rad waste or obtain energy from it as the atricle states. That lie is the tipoff in fact.

Any energy produced is from the garbage, not the radioactivity of the waste. That intentional obsfucation is what leads me to the conclusion that this is a scam.

Nucbuddy

Amazingdrx,

What would (unnatural) carbon-14 or tritium be doing in medical waste?
uic.com.au/nip26.htm


ISOTOPES USED IN MEDICINE

Reactor Radioisotopes

Molybdenum-99
Technetium-99m
Bismuth-213
Chromium-51
Cobalt-60
Copper-64
Dysprosium-165
Erbium-169
Holmium-166
Iodine-125
Iodine-131
Iridium-192
Iron-59
Lutetium-177
Palladium-103
Phosphorus-32
Potassium-42
Rhenium-186
Rhenium-188
Samarium-153
Selenium-75
Sodium-24
Strontium-89
Xenon-133
Ytterbium-169
Ytterbium-177
Yttrium-90

Radioisotopes of caesium, gold and ruthenium are also used in brachytherapy.


Cyclotron Radioisotopes

Carbon-11
Nitrogen-13
Oxygen-15
Fluorine-18
Cobalt-57
Gallium-67
Indium-111
Iodine-123
Krypton-81m
Rubidium-82
Strontium-92
Thallium-201


Well, there is carbon-11. But then, "carbon-11 has a half-life of only 20 minutes."

amazingdrx

Radioactive isotopes are created by ionizing radiation sources.

Carbon 14 is used as a medical tracer. But the major source of all these radioactive contaminants in so-called low level waste is the exposure to radiation.

I believe that the whole landfill in South Carolina is claimed to hold only low level waste (in leaking, unlined trenches). Including the core of that Michigan nuclear reactor. So nearly all rad waste is "low level"?

What would be high level waste? Plutonium? Hehehey. Parse those words buddy.

Kit P.

“Radioactive isotopes are created by ionizing radiation sources.”

Amazingdrx got it backwards. Actually, one source of ionizing radiation is radioactive isotopes. The sun, cosmic rays, and x-rays are others. Most radioactive isotopes are natural, those generated by man are carefully controlled to prevent needless exposure.

So, yes, most radioactive waste is low level. It is apparent that Amazingdrx does not understand the scientific principles involved in energy discussions. These topics are very complex. Furthermore, he assumes that he is being lied to rather than consider the more likely possibility that he is confused about the facts. The NRC has an excellent site where he can info carries legal penalties for lying.

Udo Stenzel

"What would be high level waste?"

Fission products, notably Sr-90 and Cs-137. But telling you that is a waste of time, isn't it, drx?

Robin Smith

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Investigation Services

This is the very problem of each nation, how and where to dump their nuclear wastes safely. I think stopping the use of it solves the problem, I mean there is no smog when there is no fire.

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