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November 26, 2006

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Vagif Verdi

I'm a dilettante in this field.
But I heard that the amount of energy, required to create solar cells, are more than amount of energy those solar cells will ever be able to return.

Is this true ?

Matt

Hi Vagif. Nope. Thats not true.

For a comparison of energy payback for a few solar cell technologies, take a look here:

http://nanosolar.com/economic.htm

Vagif Verdi

Thx Matt.
I was surprised to see that conventional solar panels are indeed taking long time to return energy they consumed. (3 years.)

david foster

I'm not sure a 3-year payback is so bad: wonder what the energy payback is on a conventional coal power plant? Lots of steel goes into boilers, etc, and steelmaking is a pretty energy-intensive process. Not to mention incremental rail capacity to get the coal there in the first place.

George

Well, Nanosolar, a company that makes roll-printed cells, claims that single crystal cells (i.e., their competition) takes 3 years for energy payback. They say their own technology takes less than 2 months. The 3 year figure is likely to be an overestimate, perhaps a large one. The <2 mo figure might be an underestimate.

This idea of "solar cells take more energy to make than they'll ever produce" is a persistent meme. Who benefits from this meme? Who spreads it?

Demesure

I would add that in sunnier places (like Spain or California) the energy payback would be less than 1 year, even for monocrystaline cells (the most energy intensive). For a production lifetime of more than 20 years with a projected decrease in efficiency of less than 5%, not bad, to be compared to a coal plant.

Paul Dietz

I'll add that CIGS cells have very little active semiconductor in them, since the absorption length of the absorbed photons is less than 1 micron (vs. about 100 microns for xtal Si, although cell thickness can be made less than this through clever design involving light trapping and total internal reflection). The total absorbed energy per atom of semiconductor in a CIGS cell approaches the energy/atom you see in nuclear reactions, when integrated over the life of the cell.

The implication of this is that the process for depositing the semiconductor itself could use lots of energy and still have a very short payback. Of course, the energy used in making the supporting structures would also have to be considered, since this part will be considerably heavier.

David

Earlier in the month, the big story in solar was the polysilicon shortage. Will makers of thin-film equipment be able to get around that problem and lead the way forward in meeting demand for solar products?

After thinking on these issues, it was interesting to see this post and recent others like it, as well as the recent Wall St. Journal article on Energy Conversion Devices (which also operates in this space).

What do you guys think? Will they (CIGS thin-film makers) be able to meet demand for solar equipment and push down cost of solar power?

Justin Hayward PhD MBA

This is just a note about our Solar Smart HEAT event coming up. This is a solar-sourcing + measurement and control + building design event.

Please see the conference homepage at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/heat
Conference brochure and other info PDFs at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events
Book to secure your place at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/register.htm
Last year's summary at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/heat/summary07.htm

The event builds on HEAT07: focuses are solar, smart metering systems and low power components and devices this year.

Yours, Justin

Justin Hayward PhD MBA

This is just a note about our Solar Smart HEAT event coming up. This is a solar-sourcing + measurement and control + building design event.

Please see the conference homepage at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/heat
Conference brochure and other info PDFs at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events
Book to secure your place at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/register.htm
Last year's summary at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/heat/summary07.htm

The event builds on HEAT07: focuses are solar, smart metering systems and low power components and devices this year.

Yours, Justin

Justin Hayward PhD MBA

This is just a note about our Solar Smart HEAT event coming up. This is a solar-sourcing + measurement and control + building design event.

Please see the conference homepage at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/heat
Conference brochure and other info PDFs at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events
Book to secure your place at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/register.htm
Last year's summary at: http://www.cambridgeinvestmentresearch.com/events/heat/summary07.htm

The event builds on HEAT07: focuses are solar, smart metering systems and low power components and devices this year.

Yours, Justin

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