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November 18, 2006



Regardless about how you feel about the chances of the hydrogen economy coming about, this is some really great engineering and styling. The remaining obstacles would have to be price and fuel availability.

Anyone know how the car uses lithium ion batteries to improve performance?


Harvey D.

Keeping the same electrical drive but increasing the size and efficiency of the on board battery pack (with Altair quick charge or equivalent units) and possibly downsizing the fuel cell and hydrogen storage tank would make this an ideal dual energy mainly electric car.

The larger quick charge battery pack would recuperate more breaking-decelleration energy and supply the energy boost required for take off and passing + home based easy and cheap battery recharge.

The fuel cell would in fact replace the on board ICE genset and serve as an optional range extender.

Buyers should have the choice between a much lower cost ICE gentset or the Fuel Cell.


Lease-only, not available for purchase.  Have to wonder how much it costs to make...

A 270 mile range is just a bit better than the Tesla roadster's 250 miles, but the FCX has to have a hydrogen station at the other end; the Tesla can snag a charge anywhere there's a plug.  That already covers most of the USA.

Hydrogen is dead, but people keep trying to reanimate the corpse.

ron mccurdy

Hydrogen is a non-starter unless we perfect gathering the fuel from pond scum. Don't think this could work in winter in my part of the world anyway. Why waste half of the electricity produced to make hyddrogen which then needs to be distributed. Then we lose more getting back to electricity. Get the storage systems then use electricity directly.
I know this is destructive technology with all the IC repairmen, fuel cell parts and repair guys (if there will ever be any), on welfare and of course all that complexity out the window. We can even plug in our owon caars instead of freezing the gas (hydrogen)jockeys in the winter.
Checkk out GM with its purported plug in 100 k hybrid. Smart plug in electric now in England...change or be dodo birded.

Jeff Becker

Maybe this vehicle just a way to road test the components of the electric drive system until better batteries are available at a lower cost.

Frankly, I'm happy to see car companies working on these fuel cell vehicles. As many have pointed out, the voltage to run the car can come from anything, not just a fuel cell. It will make a good platform for battery-only operation or any sort of serial hybrid.

There's a lot more to an all-new electric car design than just the voltage source. Fuel cell research vehicles are a step in the right direction, even if hydrogen fuel cells are not.


It is pretty sad when the world leader in ICE generators invests in pie-in-the-sky hydrogen istead of solid oxide fuel cell/turbine backup generators for electric cars. The first time a multimillion dollar hydrogen fueling station blows up that will be the end of hydrogen in cars.

Uninsurable risk, just like the nuke plants they want to use to make the hydrogen.

Maybe they have another program they are keeping under wraps? I wonder if Honda hired execs away from Detroit? That might explain this very bad strategy.

Come on Honda, get with the right technology!

kent beuchert

Honda is simply keeping its options open and can afford to continue multiple developmental paths. Just remember, a fuel cell car is an electric car. Replace the fuel cell and tank with batteries and there you have an electric car. Actually, I've read that Honda's fuel cell vehicle is actually nothing more than a
re-outfitted EV from 1997.


Well that's my hope Kent. That Honda will replace the hydrogen fuel cell with a multifuel solid oxide fuel cell/microturbine.

Forget the multiple development thing in the case of hydrogen, people who run companies like Honda or Toyota ought to have the sense to pick better technology.

We are talking about Honda here. One of the best run corporations in the world.

The ability to think creatively is mandatory for executives of this kind of company. Just as much as it is optional for US automakers and frowned upon in the current leadership of the US government.

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