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December 02, 2005


Francis de Winter

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karl  (there's a reason that solar and tankless join hands)

This info on solar does not belong in efficiency catagory.

Solar hot water is not efficient! Tremendous amounts of heat is wasted, in fact because of the high capital costs and fixed potential heat return and inability to put the energy to any other use either the surplus hot water is simply not used or it is used somehow then flushed away for the cost of the sewer line.

ALthough during the winter extra heat can reduce space heating from other sources the cost has to compete with the payback and generally extreme cold means poor at least inexpensive models performance.

The tankless scheme robs ratepayers of owners chipping in the rest of the time to recover the costs of distribution which often exceed the energy cost itself.

As one solar gonzo crowed on here he saves the taxes on the energy he uses because he owns the plant! But no ethical argument likely would fly for doing so. It's always possible and sometimes easy to cheat and be regarded as a hero even so.

But then there is type of solar energy that is efficeient and that is the heatpump pwhich as I mentioned Carrier had a consumer model which for very little additional cost (to them!) provided dhw as a bonus essentially.

Compared to other forms of solar it truly rocked, and they had lots of inventory when I wanted to buy one, but they said it was discontinued, and only trade schools could get them.

They also told me there engineers could not talk about current products, as they only dealt with ones under development. In the dozen plus years since the thp3 I've not heard of another consumer model.

Instead we often have large amounts of heat gettting dumped from our fridges into our living spaces, while we burn tons of coal to heat hundreds of gallons of water that misses our bodies on it's way into the sewer.

And vertical jacuzzi's are regarded as illegal if they recirculated by people whose job it is to know that's not true even though I've yet to find one marketed.

It's just that the people who buy such luxuries don't care how much energy they waste as long as they can use as much as they draw and utilities make poor people subsidise the use of the rich to get there dollars and there support at rate hearing time.

So we see old andI mean ancient aC units serviced free, like the old lightbulbs used to be, by utilities who provide the mansions with three phase power to stop there owners from replacing the quiet units with either noisy ones that pay for themselves in like a month, or worse, finding out they are noising and ruining that aspect of new models sold fairly (price wise)for everyone but the buyer and neighbors etc.

I appreciate the catagory but these entries fail to deliver and do so some might say suspiciously.

We can all afford to change the productin schedule of LED's. It shouldn't be a one per gaming household willing to pay a grand each and ship from japan equation.

Right now if instead of walmart (i'm there next!) we all went to ebay for the five wat uner cabinetn kitchen lights there volum wold go up thousands of times, and there price woulod be cheaper life cycle wise then even bargain flourescents (under ten bucks for the strip)

And man are they stylish! Of course like other items the insertion of lead weights to convey quality would end once production ramped up.... making them that much better during earthquake!

karl  (the monster pdf is monstrously corrupt and a grand jury should be summoned)

After downloading it and reading TOO much of it I now realize it's

a certifying pro solar host and that explains the nonsense throughout it.

It really made me sick.

IN part as I thought it was Sam hosted.

But no such uncle is complicit..... except as credited as "facilitating" which means they should be up to get it off there internet or put in context.

whoever KDEGROAT is they don't let it be searched...... and it's just about the worst megabyte I've every downloaded. If only some of the admissions could be trusted.

I hope to find the document text and see all slurs against pumps. What the pump does is remove the high markup high labor panels from the package. Any wonder now about the signifigance of the host, that depends on certifying and pleasing such a 'work'force.


If you have looked into solar energy as a method for heating your home, panels are usually the first things that come up.

There are, however, other unique methods.

The Solar Heating Aspect You Have Never Heard of Before

The power of the sun is immense. The energy in one day of sunlight is more than the world needs. The problem, of course,

is how does one harness this power. Solar panels represent the obvious solution, but they have their downside. First,

they can be expensive depending upon your energy needs. Second, they do not exactly blend in with the rest of your home.

Passive solar heating represents a panel free method of harnessing the inherent energy found in the sun for heating

purposes. If you come out from a store and open the door of your car in the summer, you understand the concept of passive

solar heating. A wide variety of material absorbs sunlight and radiates the energy back into the air in the form of heat.

Passive solar heating for a home works the same way as the process which overheats your car in the parking lot.


Its not heating water thats the real problem its the first 15 degrees


That is a great article. Thank you for sharing it.

Instantaneous Water Heater

Great post! Thanks for sharing this Water Heating Energy Excessive post! I hope everybody gets a chance to read this post!:)


I find your article very interesting.
Water heater is a very great appliance especially to cold country. And for me its not the problem.

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