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January 11, 2008

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kballs

I would argue that municipal sewage treatment plants rival or exceed the methane emissions of a landfill... same with yard waste processing (where they make way more mulch and topsoil products than can get used)... trouble is most of them don't try to capture the methane. It's quite a shame that we aren't burning all that methane to make electricity.

Kit P

Anaerobic digestion (AD) at WWTP use closed tanks. The biogas which is a mixture of CH4, CO2, and H2S is either used to heat boilers or flared as required by regulations.

Many WWTP have gensets but I do not know how much electricity is produced.

kballs

What I'm saying is that though many of the newest sewage treatment plants do capture and burn the gases, there are still a lot of older plants that do not yet have the equipment to do this (not to mention a lot of people with septic tanks that don't capture gases either - and I imagine most would have enough methane+hydrogen to at least run a gas cooktop/oven if they installed capture systems).

Also there are many yard waste compost facilities out there and most do not capture gases (we have some local ones in the Seattle area that have actually been sued many times because they stink up the whole area). Combine that with the city of Seattle mandating that food scraps and shredded documents go in the yard waste bin... there is not only a perfect opportunity to capture waste gases at yard waste composting facilities, it's actually environmentally and economically irresponsible not to.

Kit P

All AD at WWTP (old and new) either use the biogas or flare it. While methane is not toxic, H2S is very toxic and the odor would be intolerable. Which is a very good reason to not mess around with your septic system to save energy. I just did some pluming and vented my septic tank to the house for a very short period of time. Being exposed to H2S lead to rapid desensitization to the odor and then death. Being overcome and drowning in manure would not be a good way to die.

The City of Seattle did a study and was surprised to find that garbage disposals was the best environmental choice for low income housing. The food scrapes end up at the WWTP producing energy. Biosolids (aka, sewage sludge) and solid waste is shipped east. The biosolids are very beneficial in semi-arid regions and Roosevelt landfill has a very large LFG generating plant.

The City of Seattle has a much larger budget for greenwashing than it does to solve environmental problems. Seattle dumps their waste other places and the credit for using the waste wisely goes to others.

Composting is the best renewable energy project because of the organic fertilizer produced and the energy saved trucking the waste to the landfill. It can be down aerobically or anaerobically. Aerobic compost that has odor problems has not been managed correctly. They should not be producing methane.

As far as the lawsuits are concerned, it is just evidence that no good environmental deed goes unpunished. Almost every environmental lawsuits that I have significant information about has been baseless. There have been several real problems. One case involved dumping heavy metals in compost which was a criminal act. The other problem is composting will not break down persistent organic compounds. Proving that compost does have something bad in it is not easy in a world where zero risk world.

kballs

I guess it's just too dangerous for anyone or any company to implement gas recycling in septic systems. We should just continue venting the waste gases forever. Oh wait, they already capture gas from pit toilets and use it for cooking in 3rd world villages, I guess it's not impossible.

You illustrate my point about sewage treatment, they either burn it for electricity (what they should always do) or in older systems they flare it (which is a COMPLETE WASTE OF ENERGY). They should mandate that it always be burned for electricity or sent into the local natural gas system (unless there is some emergency where they just have to flare it).

Also, yard waste: decaying plants release methane (along with other gases like methyl mercaptan or sulfur dioxide which are the parts that stink)! Especially when they've been buried in a massive mountain of mulch for months at a time (which is the norm for compost and organic materials facilities - they even catch fire sometimes because of the heat created by the decay process and microbes).

Composting the way they do now does not really save any significant energy. There is no energy saved trucking the waste to a landfill because you're just trucking it to a compost site instead. The amount of fertilizer produced is not that large yet, else we would be seeing a lot less synthetic fertilizers in use. You are right about what they could do (for fertilizer production), but they need to work on it more, and I think they need to make it more of a closed system so they can control the process better and not release waste gases without burning them for energy and/or converting them to less harmful gases.

My whole point is, close the loop, reuse all waste wherever possible. I'm not trying to show what's possible or talk about some future technology, I'm saying we're not reusing the waste everywhere it is possible with current technology yet.

Kit P

The ideas that kballs is talking about are fine but a little more technical knowledge is needed. Third world use AD is a great improvement in in the sanitary condition of third world countries. Unfortunately there is a particularity serious pathogen bacteria in the US called the personal injury trial attorney. Capturing all that wasted energy is not impossible just harder than you might think.

The nitrogen to carbon ratio of bacteria is 20:1 and 10:1 for most other organic life. Growing bacteria stores nitrogen in the soil until the can be used for plant plant growth. Ammonia is energy we just do not use it very often for energy because it is more valuable for making food. That is what I am calling closing the loop.

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Its a great move on their part and because of that many will benefit from it.

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Good that they noticed this and did something to prevent it from escalating.

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They have done a marvelous job in trying to protect the environment by providing solutions to the problem.

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They really are protectors of the environment because they did a splendid job of protecting it.

Foto Unik

Dear Friend,
You have Great Blog and great iformation. I'm From Indonesia, Please visit our new Landfill Gas Flaring for electricity on my City "Bekasi", and give us your opinion :

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Foto Unik

Dear Friend,
You have Great Blog and great iformation. I'm From Indonesia, Please visit our new Landfill Gas Flaring for electricity on my City "Bekasi", and give us your opinion :

Best regards

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These are all good programs but people need to remember to reduce, reuse, recycle!

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Are there large landfills in PA? I see a few projects based there mentioned in this article, or maybe they're just doing a great
job at trying to counteract the negative effects of the gas that is released.

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So great that people are working on this, the less methane released, the better!!

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Aw I wish there were one of these good landfill projects in Los Angeles- we could use them!

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I never realized there were so many projects geared at using this 'waste' gas. Wonderful!

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