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July 26, 2007

Japan certifies Toyota Plug-in for Use on Public Roads, Toyota Releases Specifications

Toyota Motor Corporation (TMC) announced on Wednesday that it has developed a plug-in hybrid vehicle, the Toyota Plug-in HV, and is the first manufacturer to have such a vehicle certified for use on public roads in Japan.

The PHEV is a 5 passenger vehicle with a cruising range of 8 miles (13 km) in the all electric mode with a top speed of 60 mph (100 km/hr).  It is equipped with 2 - 6.5Ah nickel-metal hydride batteries powering a 67hp (50kW)/1,200-1,540 rpm synchronous electric motor with a maximum torque of 400N-m(40.8kg-m) @ 0-1,200rpm.  The 1,496cc gasoline engine has a maximum output of 75 hp (56kW) @ 5,000 rpm and a maximum torque: 110N-m (11.2kg-m) @ 4,000rpm. Maximum output using both the engine and the battery is 134 hp (100 kW).  Charging time for the battery is 1-1.5hrs @ 200V and 3-4hrs @ 100V.

Increased battery capacity gives it a longer electric-motor-only cruising range and a battery-charging device, distinguishes it from previous hybrids and allows users to replenish the batteries using household electricity. These features enable the vehicle to run more often in gasoline-free, electric-only mode, such as on short trips in city driving. The resulting fuel efficiency improvements mean lower CO2 emissions and less fossil fuel consumption and, therefore, less pollution. Also, charging the battery with less-expensive nighttime electricity lowers total running costs, providing an economic benefit to owners.

Although challenges still exist in the development of pure electric vehicles such as a limited cruising range and issues related to cost, TMC still views plug-in hybrid vehicles as a promising technology for allowing electricity to serve as a viable power source for automobiles and is committed to their continued development as a key environmental technology.

TMC plans to conduct initial public-road tests in Japan with eight units of the TOYOTA Plug-in HV to verify electric-motor-only cruising ranges and optimal battery capacity. While doing so, it plans to provide the government with data for formulating testing methods for emissions and fuel efficiency and to consider TMC's measures for promoting plug-in hybrids and the use of electricity. There are also plans to conduct public-road tests of the TOYOTA Plug-in HV in the United States and in Europe.

--- Main Specifications of Toyota Plug-in HV ------------
Vehicle
Name: TOYOTA Plug-in HV
Length/Width/Height: 4,445/1,725/1,490mm
Weight: 1,360kg
Seating capacity: 5 persons
Performance in electric vehicle mode
Cruising range: 13km in the 10-15 Japanese test cycle
Maximum vehicle speed: 100km/h
Engine
Displacement: 1,496cc
Maximum output: 56kW(76PS)/5,000rpm
Maximum torque: 110N-m (11.2kg-m)/4,000rpm
Motor
Type: AC synchronous motor
Maximum output: 50kW(68PS)/1,200-1,540rpm
Maximum torque: 400N-m(40.8kg-m)/0-1,200rpm
Secondary battery
Type: Nickel-metal hydride
Capacity: 13Ah (6.5Ah x 2)
Rated voltage: 202V
Overall system
Maximum output: 100kW (136PS)
Voltage: 202-500V
Battery charging
Power source: Household electrical power
Charging time: 1-1.5hrs (200V), 3-4hrs (100V)

According to the NY Times:

The prototype plug-in hybrids will be powered by two oversize packs of nickel-metal hydride batteries that are meant to simulate the kind of power Toyota expects future versions of the batteries to yield. The packs are capable of storing significantly more energy than the kind of battery found on the Prius, Toyota said.

This vehicle is an example of what many have been pleading for, a PHEV using todays technology.  It would be possible to increase the driving range, at the expense of more weight and cost, with the addition of more batteries, especially in the US where the acceptable range is perceived as being higher.

Thanks to CalCars for the tips.

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Hopefully Ford, Chevy, et al will get the message like a swift kick in the behind. I'm confident we can respond like we did to Sputnik.

Whew, finally it's starting.

I think we'll see some smart cars hitting the roads and making a difference now.

The first step is to get the right kind of car going, and I think this is it. The next is to develop the batteries, and lower the costs so that we can reduce the majority of oil use and pay for future energy storage systems.

And if you think oil is expensive now, get ready. The big oil boys know that EV's are coming and they are about to jam us as much as they can before too many EV's are on the street and their sales of fuel drop. Oil will be over $100 a barrel by the end of 2007, my guess.

They can see the writing on the wall that alternative energy is coming. What they have to figure out is how much money can they make off of us before these alternatives take over.

There is still a possibility that oil prices will drop, whether it's by artificial means or unintentional consequences. There are rumors of OPEC starting to increase production by Sept. this year. I'm not saying that it would drop back to $1/gal, but when prices droped to $2.20 last year, sales of trucks surged. Any new non-hybrid cars/trucks bought today will mean less people in the pool who are willing to buy a PHEV, let alone a new fuel-efficient cars in the near future.

Toyota elsewhere quoted that the study will take 3 years. A LOT can happen in 3 years, and there are many obstacles that can easily delay or derail such projects.

I will be the first in line to get a PHEV Prius, but I'm not sure we'll see one in 2010. Let's hope I'm wrong.

Top speed of 60MPH? Is it me or is Toyota being way more conservative than the current plug-in Prius hackers? Or is this car just a Japanese Kei car (urban only)?

If they are just playing with prototypes, Toyota might as well dump the parallel hybrid drivetrain and go with series hybrid (like the Volt). They must just have so much invested in their planetary geared parallel system they want to keep using it as long as possible no matter what other viable options there are.

The specs exactly match a normal Prius, but with 2 (NiMH) battery packs instead of 1, so this was a trivial conversion. Presumably this allows the software designers to test drive their work (a good idea) while waiting for new battery technology.

One interesting thing is the single battery is rated at 20kW but the (standard Prius) motor is rated at 50kW. I always wondered about that, and assumed they didn't want to run the motor at capacity. With 2 batteries, they could get 40kW, and get better acceleration (above 15mph) in electric-only mode. Perhaps they also need extra cooling of the electric motor if run at 40kW.

Toyota will have to go to Lithium-Phosphate (or is it now Manganese?). This is the only way. The issue is not technology or packaging. The remaining issue is mass production of lithium phosphate and pushing the production cost down - IOW, its a classic engineering problem.

All this futzing with parallel hybrids and 2.6 KWh NiMH midget batteries etc., is just to buy time and get that last dollar for their outmoded drivetrains and powertrains. Nobody is going to innovate and reduce costs (and revenue and profit) until they are forced to do so by the competition.

There almost appears to be a conspiracy by big motor companies to shun the LiFePO4.

Thank you John Goodenough (inventor of LiFePO4).

This is the right car. I could decrease my oil consumption by 70% with this car. I dont think the price will be much higher than the 2004 prius (i would pay let's say $2000 more). The market is ready for this car right now. Let the plugin hibrid market starts, than they will imporve battery technology. I'm afraid GM lost again, the Volt is nowhere, they use expensive battery technolgy they wont be able to compete with this prius in price.

I'm pretty sure my next car will be a plug in - probably in about 5 years time - which will be about right for me because I just bought a new Corolla

I agree to Technofossil's opinion. LiFePo4 will be the only solution to power full function EV. The issue of mass production of A123 may be resolved by cooperation with a Taiwan's company, Changes Ascending Enterprise Co.. As I know, Changes Ascending can offer low cost, hige volume batteries. It is "Made-in-Taiwan", not "Made-in-China".

technofossil said:
One interesting thing is the single battery is rated at 20kW but the (standard Prius) motor is rated at 50kW. I always wondered about that, and assumed they didn't want to run the motor at capacity.

The reason for this is that there are two motor/generators. The one you are talking about is connected to the ring gear of the planetary gear assembly, which drives the wheels. During low speed, high acceleration, this motor is powered not only from the battery, but also from the other motor/generator (running as a generator). The total power available is about 50 kW.

kballs said:
Top speed of 60MPH? Is it me or is Toyota being way more conservative than the current plug-in Prius hackers? Or is this car just a Japanese Kei car (urban only)?

As I understand it, the 50 kW motor in the Prius (as discussed above) is not designed for continuous operation at maximum power. This limits the how far and how fast the car can go as a pure electric.

DonB, Thanks for the explanation on the Prius motors-- I looked up a more technical description. The Toyota customer diagrams are really oversimplified. It's an interesting design-- 1 gear and the difference in speed between the two motors acts in place of gears or cones and no need for a clutch.

I looked up costs for the various battery technologies, and played with them on a spreadsheet. Auto battery prices aren't available, so I used single quantity small cell prices as a rough estimate.

I now see why NiMH cells are used in the HEVs...

Current NiMh and Li-Ion cells are about the same in cost-- about ~$700/kWh, but considering the NiMH batteries only use about 50% of the capacity, NiMH is actually more expensive/kWh.

The problem with Li-Ion for a HEV/PHEV is that to get just the 20kW power, you'd need a minimum of 40-60mi range, $6-10K, and 50-65kg.

The Li-Polymer and LiFePO4 have enough to power 20kW in a 20mi PHEV, but are currently about twice as expensive as the basic Li-Ion cells, so a 20mi range still costs around $6K, and would be about 30-40kg.

The LiFePO4 cells have not quite twice the kW/$ of Li-Polymer, but 4x the Li-Ion. The NiMH is still double the kW/$ of LiFePO4, so only the wimpy 1.3kWh $1K NiMH battery is needed for the Prius 20kW.

No prices are listed for the A123 LiFePO4 cells (samples are 2X other LiFePO4 cells), but assuming comparable cost, the A123 cells have very high maximum power output, so are equal to the NiMH cells in $/kW and $/usable-kWh, but at half the weight.

Hopefully, the new battery companies will be able to bring the cost down. If they can get to the $700/kWh range, then a PHEV-20 battery would be around $3K.

I noticed the contract price for ABT Li-Polymer batteries was about $260/kWh, so maybe they could sell at $500 retail, and a PHEV-20 would be almost down to $2K.

And if you think oil is expensive now, get ready. The big oil boys know that EV's are coming and they are about to jam us as much as they can before too many EV's are on the street and their sales of fuel drop. Oil will be over $100 a barrel by the end of 2007, my guess.

Maybe, maybe not. If oil companies want to keep their franchise going, they need to keep the price of gasoline low enough to encourage people to buy stupidly large trucks. If gas gets really expensive, the demand for electric transport will be huge, and it will drive development that much faster. I think it's more likely that big oil will string us along at around the present price of gas, if they possibly can. They might even want to periodically lower the price long enough to induce a new round of vehicle purchases, then raise it again. No oil company ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public...

Technofssil: The Li-Polymer and LiFePO4 have enough to power 20kW in a 20mi PHEV, but are currently about twice as expensive as the basic Li-Ion cells, so a 20mi range still costs around $6K, and would be about 30-40kg.

I believe that LiFePO4 can provide more power output than NiMH per weight. A 26650 LiFePO4 cell can deliver 50W (vs 32W for D sized NiMH). To get 20KW, that is 400 cells or 28 Kg and about 2 KWh, or 6 miles. I am not sure why you need 20 mi range?

But the LiFePO4 is cheaper than NiMH - checkout http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3294

The A123 nano (nLiFePO4) cells in volume I believe are $800/KWh. But blow everything else out of water as far as $/KW is concerned. Also cycle life is 8000 (8 times more than NiMH).

Forget about Li-Poly - too dangerous and expensive.

Beek: I believe that LiFePO4 can provide more power output than NiMH per weight ... I am not sure why you need 20 mi range? ... But the LiFePO4 is cheaper than NiMH

Yes, LiFePO4 kW/kg is half (even less in A123) NiMH. I just took 20mi range as arbitrary-- I assumed 4.4mi/kWh, with 8.9mi/20kW power, so a cheaper PHEV-10 is practical with LiFePO4, vs the 40-60mi minimum for Li-Ion, and A123 can deliver 20kW with only 3.2mi range.

I also used the same batteryspace.com cell for the LiFePO4 price-- about $1300/kWh. AA NiMH is only $500/kWh, but these have really low power output, and only half the charge-discharge range is used, so I figure LiFePO4 is equal to NiMh in cost/mi-range, but half the weight.

I came across the Prius battery specs, and found it interesting that as newer higher power batteries became available, they reduced the number of modules and kWh range.

1997 has 69kWh, 35kW, 800W/kg,
2000 has 68kWh, 40kW, 1000W/kg,
2004 has 37kWh, 38kW, 1300W/kg.
Weight decreased 44->40->29kg. I assume they are using cheaper batteries and don't care about the range decrease of almost half, 69kWh..37kWh.

Two of the 2004 modules with 50% charge utilization, yield the 8mi range quoted (37/4.4).

@technofossil

Yes, LiFePO4 kW/kg is half (even less in A123) NiMH.

I think you meant double (not half). A123 (nLiFePO4) and LiFePO4 both have huge power ratings.

I also used the same batteryspace.com cell for the LiFePO4 price-- about $1300/kWh. AA NiMH is only $500/kWh,

The HEV industry does not use NiMH AA's. The use NiMH F cells. Price of F cell = $715 / KWh. But if only 50% of the charge range is used in NiMH, that is $1,430 / KWh, as you say.

LiFePO4 26650 price = $1,085 / KWh . Also, I suspect this price will drop quite a bit more with EV volumes. Note that the NiMH has been around for a while now and the price is already reaching bottom.

The Prius figures you quote are wrong. The Prius energy capacity is about 1.3 KWh. From the link provided, the 2004 Prius capacity = 6.5 Ah * 201.6V = 1.3 KWh. Or, 1.04 * 28 * 46 = 1.34 KWh.

The 6.5 Ah and 201 V is not per module, it is for all 28 modules.

If Prius had 37 KWh capacity, then it could go 160 miles on electric charge alone!

The Tesla has 70 KWh capacity and goes 200 miles.

When you guys talk about Lithium batteries, you never mention Altairnano and its NanoSafe battery. Is it just hype? Too expensive as of now, or bulky or what.

When you guys talk about Lithium batteries, you never mention Altairnano and its NanoSafe battery. Is it just hype? Too expensive as of now, or bulky or what.

Allie, ALTI nano-safe has impressive specs, although not as high as A123. Question is why are they not selling their batteries to the open market? It seems they only sell to customers that they have a relationship with.

A123 sells its batteries on its website - even the new 32157 32Wh battery is available today.

I know you can get LiFePo4 at $0.5/Wh now from Changes Ascending, that is 18650 for $1.5/pcs. The $6.95/26650 or $5.59/18650 you got from Batteryspace.com is "made-in-China".
Right Now, LiFePo4 battery is available only by A123 and Changes Ascending.

Hi Chan6372 - there is no mention of LiFePO4 at Changs Ascending http://www.caec.com.tw/eng/product4.html

Where did you get the price of $500/KWh for lithium-phosphate? Its pretty low. How different is Changs Ascending from A123 nano-phosphate?

OK, now I see Changs Ascending manufactures LiFePO4 poder and LiMn2O4 powder. Where did you get the price for the cell? Does Changs supply nano powder to A123?

Beek: The Prius figures you quote are wrong.

Oops, wrong row in the spreadsheet-- I should have read my post! Correction:
1997 has 1.7kWh, 35kW, 800W/kg, 44kg
2000 has 1.8kWh, 40kW, 1000W/kg, 40kg
2004 has 1.3kWh, 38kW, 1300W/kg, 29kg.
[I also meant to say weight (kg/kW) was half-- thanks.]

All the price quotes are bogus being retail cell prices [I used single quantity] since we can't go to Kragen for a car battery module. But it's useful to estimate retail module costs and compare technologies.

I too believe prices for the new Li technology will come down, and find this an exciting time on the cusp of a new era.

BTW, 2 1.3kWh modules were used in Toyota's PHEV to get 40kW [I assume]. The W/Wh of ~10 for LiFePo4 means you need about 4Kwh for that peak power, or about 18mi range.

I wonder what batteries were used for the Chevy Volt concept car (I guess A123 is the plan). The 16kWh/136kW-peak (40mi range) fits LiFePo4. With A123 batteries, less than 8kWh could give the needed power. Note the Volt has >10x the kWh of the Toyota Prius HEV module, so at the same $/kWh would mean battery cost would be >10x. If the retail-equivalent battery cost was cut in half and range cut to 20mi, then $4K isn't too bad for a battery.

Technofossil, power output is not an issue with LiFePO4. For example, A123 can easily provide 50C, namely 300 Amperes, or 1 KW per cell!

Now put 1000 of these cells together for a capacity of 32KWh, and you get 1 MW or almost 1500 HP!

LiFePO4 outshines NiMH and LiCo2 by such a huge margin that it is not funny.

A 2KWh A123 battery can deliver 100 HP continuously, and 150 HP burst. So you only need 2KWh with A123 to get 136KW peak continuous power (and not 8 KWh).

Take a look at this older 26650 A123 cell. The newer 32115 cell has twice the power of this one. http://www.a123systems.com/newsite/index.php#/products/cells26650/

Your folks are missing the big picture on the A123 battery versus the Altair Nanosafe. Granted the Nanosafe battery is about 18 months behind on the production learning curve so today they are twice as expensive as the A123 battery, but the cost will be down to the $500/KWH in 2 years as the volume of shipments ramps up. The Nanosafe batteries have a deep cycle life of 12,000 cycles versus the A123 battery that is rated at 1,000 cycles.

If you put this battery in your Prius it will still give you all the power you need for up to 20 years. The Nanosafe battery can also be recharged in 10 minutes and that gives you a range of 130 miles in the all electric truck they are developing with Phoenix Motor Car. I had the chance to look at this vehicle a week ago and also talked to the Altair sales rep. He assured me they are talking to everyone but when they talk to the big three automakers the talks crash and burn because the big guys want to own the patent rights. Anybody seen Who Killed the Electic Car? You don't want to work with GM.

Since I own both a Prius and a Hybrid Camry I was pushing on the sales rep to explain why they don’t have a partnership for a Prius conversion and all he would tell me is that they will have some type of announcement soon. Not sure if it will involve the Prius yet but at least it is progress.

The Prius currently uses a 1.3KWH battery and my understanding is that they only cycle the battery down to 75% capacity. An Altair Nanosafe battery could be cycled to a fully discharged and since it can be charged in 10 minutes you can get up to 97% recovery by using a high capacity generator when you are braking so you would have even greater efficiency for city driving. We need to see a 5 KWH Altair battery installed in a Prius. I believe you could get 20 to 30 miles of range and average 100 MPG.


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