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April 01, 2007

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jcwinnie

Now that is subtle, Jim. A true, albeit implausible, story released on April 1.

Note to Self: Never gamble with Fraser.

Frank J. Heller

Will INDIA's impressive technology feats cease to amaze us?

I am currently planning workshop to redesign a large 4,000 acre navy base that is being closed. One topic of interest is a 'village' tansport. system that is friendly to Electric Vehicles.

If this car works, it would eclipse the current crop of electric vehicle and erase the threat from hydrogen explosions and leaks.

Can' wait to see reviews of the prototypes.

Guy Houseman

Unlike batteries of course which get hot to some extent at least when charged AND discharged there is rarely a need for heat in a 'car' but often a need for cooling even if only for the logic that decompressing air provides.

Now of course you could have a vacuum to store the energy as well and that would have the advantage of weighing less after eating a big breakfast and only gaining weight on the way to work so if you skip lunch and use the restroom and don't remove the air taken on at work 'you' will be even lighter on the way home.

I recently witnessed my city transportation director defend steel wheeled fixed track boondoggling by saying that the alternative was to use heat engines as if tracked public transit has ANYTHING at all to do with the 'energy' utilised or the motors.

Global whatever after all has more to do with how then how much is 'used.' Air can be plumbed. It was good enough to move paper in buildings yesteryear and still in many so dismissing it as the 'chain' in 'subway' or above ground tubed routes is silly.

Air has many advantages chief among them that it is a natural analog device. The comments previous to this this week or so about large scale underground 'load' ''managing'' storage possibilities did digress into valuable theory not adequately integrated at least not for me so far in my glancing at it.

By natural analog device I mean that to move a bullet from one end of a tube to another you only have to put stuff in one end, and just enough so that the stuff in the other end brings the projectile to a perfectly smooth stop. Note that like steam turbines a combination of pressure on one side (compared to atmosphere around plant) and negative pressure on the other does the work.

Air cannons could of course launch any of us with great precision across any city to any landing spot all coordinated so as to avoid collisions. Air is after all not only the means of storage but the medium through which we must pass if in a unprotected route. Like batteries it is silly to think about carrying the energy or the air on board.

That's what a path is for. Rubber tired vehicles whether personal, individual, and/or shared need not carry there own energy whether levitational, wheeled, jumping or whatever they only need to have access to energy when accelerating and negligibly (say from solar panels) to maintain speed if for some reason a steady speed is needed (in realty steady speeds are inherently wasteful for MANY reasons beyond continous consumption being the price).

The problem is as always the refusal to either invest in the vehicle or the road.... The harvesting of absurd profit and tax instead of delivering of transportation from what the transported suffers in cost.

There is a cost to get from one place to another and we have always paid far too much to do it. India and other places will not inflict the necessity to do it without actual reason if there atom bomb gives them the ability to be so free. Some run, others walk, Iran should not be forced to talk alone.

Chriswaterguy

Not an April fools joke - it's been around for ages. In 2000 there's this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm - wonder what happened to that.

See also http://www.theaircar.com/ (commercial site) which also mentions the Indian deal,and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_car.

Antiquated Tory

The post might not have been an April Fool's joke, but I'm not so sure about some of the comments...

Paul Dietz

I had about given up on MDI, but maybe there's still some life in their concept. India would seem to be one of the better places for a car that has problems providing heat.

donb

If I did the math right, assuming isothermal expansion and ideal gas, the air tank holds about 2.6 kWH of energy.

Relying on memory, it seems that the Tesla roadster can to 3 to 4 miles on a kWH of energy, so this would be about 10 miles.

GreyFlcn

Air cars are stupid.
The energy density just isn't there.

But what does make sense is using COMPRESSED AIR to store electricity for the grid.
(Which can then feed electric cars)

So yeah, they got it backwards.

JohnBo

I'm concerned that if there were a lot of these air cars all pumping air into their tanks the atmosphere would collapse. We would toss the earth into Global cooling and Al would have to write another foolish book. Oh boy, another man made disaster for the nuts to proclaim...haha. JohnBo

Harvey D.

Ten miles (16 Km) on fresh AIR is a fair flying carpet. Three air tanks could take the average person to work and back.

Jonathan Gaines

The Air Car, is it for real? If Tata Motors of India signs a development agreement, this is a good sign as they are in business to make money. If one or two engineers with automotive background are available to study the Air Car and say either it is, or is not feasible, that would help a lot. Then of course I wonder if the big auto makers, gas/ oil companies, etc. who have trillions of dollars tied up in oil's potential cash flow would ever let the Air Car see the light of day. Remember GM's EV 1 electric car and the zero emmisions mandate in California. They are heavy heavy dudes with a long reach.

T.S. Seshadri

The electric motor is more efficient than the car using compressed air. I have a vehicle which can run on battery and trolley wire electric traction. You start your battery powered car from your house, main roads you use trolley wire traction with the help of a collapsible pole on the top of the car. The trolley wire traction is laid straight on each lane on main roads. For turnings, overtaking and parking you use battery power. All the limitations in the battery alone car is set right. This is a dual powered vehicle ( Three wheelers and above only )using battery and trolley wire electric traction power. Patented in India.

T.S. Seshadri

I have a dual powered electric vehicle ( Three Wheelers and above )which can run on battery and trolley wire electric traction.This is more efficient than the compressed air powered car.You start with battery power from your house, main roads you use trolley wire traction in stright lanes with the help of a collapsible pole fixed on top of the vehicle.For turnings, overtaking and parking use battery power. The limitations of the battery alone powered vehicle is set right.Batteries are charged while using trolley wire traction.

sudhakar

respected sir:
sir it controlled air pollution and it reduce the fuel using capacity so how quick it came that much indian economically strong so please bring the air caar as quick as possible

T.S. Seshadri

Dear Sudhakar, You have mentioned about air car. Actually my concept is for a car using only electricity as an energy source. For More details contact me on ts_seshadri@rediffmail.com

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aditya

hi i want to know details of engine of a compressed air car.

dhruva

how can we make a car running by wind energy?

'pants

I'd sooner believe in the viability of a car run by a large mainspring. REALLY. The efficiency of compressing air to use as a motivator is TERRIBLE, so whether it is done within the car or in some magical central plant--what was it, 4000psi or something immense like that?--there is no free lunch. Don't fall into the trap of thinking the car "runs on air," any more than my spring-driven car "runs on spring-steel." Someone has to pay for that spring to be wound, and someone has to pay for that air to be compressed, and unless they've discovered a vast chasm of 4000-psi compressed air somewhere outside of Bangalore, well...this will never make it past the proto stage.

ps: would YOU want to ride around with tanks full of 4000-psi-anything under your arse? Me neither.

greg

You are going to scare scuba divers!
The spring would scare me more.

umesh rai

i make a small project of air car engnine pls sajes me

Takidra

I think it is a wonderful idea i am in the 7th grade and we are studing how fossil fuels ruin and pollute the air and this car could change a lot of people's opinoin

Jill

I wonder why the makers of the aircar thought that consumers would be atracted to te designs.

Paul C

Great news guys this car is coming to the world soon but im not sure about America yet? Lots of great info on this car at www.thefuture.net.nz for when the car is released in Australia and New Zealand, Paul

Lucas

if the tank is 90 cubic feet (3178 cubic feet) then one side would be at least 4.4 meters (14.7 feet) wide.

that's quite big. perhaps this article was an April Fool's joke?

Clee

It's 90 cubic meters at 1 atmosphere, but it's compressed to 300 atmospheres in the tank, so the tank only needs a volume of 0.3 cubic meters (11 cubic feet).

But I'm not holding my breath. As Jim said, they've been going into production "soon" for about 10 years now.

Cyril R.

Clee, there is a very simple way to increase the range. Burn some fuel (vegetable oil? weren't they doing that already?) to heat the gas so it will expand that much more. Range can be increased several times this way, however this would make it a dual-fuel vehicle, to be fair.

The benefit is that it's possible to get a very high heat rate from the fuel. Like a very high efficiency heat engine. And that means high fuel mileage, although the electricity to run the compressor also has to counted in.

ameen

how do i get this car for sale?

R. Foreman

I am interested to be associated with your organization in getting your product in Caribbean market. I know it is one of the main solutions in the way forward for true economical growth and development. I am commending you on the excellent research and development that you have achieved in providing this option to the world. Blessed regards, Ron Foreman Rotary Club Kingston, Jamaica

Rob

If this car was publicized more than paintballers might use this as a way to get air from. This could be a good market for that

Jules

In response to some of the previous posters: the fact that electric motors are more efficient than air motors is not the salient point. The question should be whether compressed air vehicles are efficient ENOUGH to deliver adequate performance at a reasonable price. The possibility of sidestepping the high cost of storage batteries while getting air conditioning as a side benefit is intriguing. If Tata Motors and MDI can deliver on their promises, then more power to them.

Geoffrey McClelland

Hello i am wondering if you export the air compressed car? I would like to import them to australia if this is possible could you forward your contact details so i can get intouch with you please? Thank you

Best Regards

Geoffrey McClelland

Car Advice

I really adore the design and invention of this car. I think, it's more on a feminine type. The design itself looks that is just a mini car and not for real.

newport driving school

Hi,
Its a very interesting blog.I like this car, nice..

Nodar Tushishvvili

how and whre can I buy those air car?
please tell us if You know!

Account Deleted

Hello, where to buy this car in Ukraine? Write to please ...

smart

I like AIR CAR
it is so good
Faster into Taiwan that I want to buy

Van Leasing

I visited this blog first time and found it very interesting and informative.. Keep up the good work thanks..

 GAJANAN AMARCHAND BHANDARI

sir,plz send me exact detail of working of air car piston movement
itis the best articl
i like it

Robert Peterson

It's 90 cubic meters at 1 atmosphere, but it's compressed to 300 atmospheres in the tank, so the tank only needs a volume of 0.3 cubic meters (11 cubic feet).
Defensive Driving

Zack

Wow this is damn cool! Running on air is quite genius. But ultimately isn't there going to be energy used to pump the air in? So in the end it isn't environmentally friendly afterall =(

Wait, is it supposed to be more environmentally friendly? Should be, right? As it is competing with the electric cars.

Husky Air Compressors

Air cars are the future. This tehnology really seems promising. Sure there are things to be fixed and tweeked in it, but idea is brilliant.

Traffic School Online

Very nicely done indeed.I think listening to your members is key and ACTING on the info they share/provide is also important. Taking their feedback, knowledge etc and doing something with that information..whether that means promoting it so other members can benefit or making changes to how the community is run, features it includes, etc. Certainly you should communicate how you are acting on the info your members provide.Don't forget that another way to build online community is to leave your own community from time to time and visit others.

Advanced Driver Improvement Course

Good Idea! It helps in clearing traffic on busy roads.

Foostor Online Shopping Deals

Its not a joke, many teams from different universities ( I think JNTU students also designed something like this ) are trying to build this sort of a car. Maybe there was some success in labs. But we have no results for its suitability general usage. TATAs definitely have the capability to make it usable for general public.

Traffic School California

It's nice to hear that Tata Motors, the India largest automotive company is going to launch the air car and its more economical.The features included in this car are more eye-cached. Hope automobile industry will be facing tough competition when Tata releases this car..! Remember NANO, a miles tone for Tata previous release. Thanks for stopping by and sharing some great information.

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I hope that in some years we won't need petrol anymore !

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Great News!

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Wow..This is damm cool..This car is looking cool. Is this car run with petrol ? If this car works then it will bring great blast in whole world..

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