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January 19, 2007

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John F.

Designed by a NYC firm, I see. Too bad it didn't find a receptive audience closer to home. This is what the Freedom Tower should have been.

John F.

"I assume the the microturbines are use to supplement power when the renewables do not generate enough power."

I can't imagine that they would choose microturbines for standby power. Electricity from the grid will always be less expensive. Rather, I suspect that they have some heat requirements that can't always be met in more efficient ways, and chose to generate that heat it in a way that gave them some bonus electricity on the side.

Yes, Guangzhou is tropical and HOT most of the year, and it does sometimes get cold enough to want need heat for both hot water and space heat in January, when the average high dips into the 60s. (http://www.travelchinaguide.com/climate/guangzhou.htm).

Big Gav

"Designed by a NYC firm, I see"

Actually I think the Chicago office designed this building (according to an email I got from SOM after quoting some of the article above) .

John F.

Imagine the mayhem when another developer tries to build on their south side -- blocking their wind. Buildings cast a wind shadow roughly twice as long as their height. They even cast wind shadows upwind.

Maybe that's why it isn't happening in the U.S. Even if construction near such a skyscraper can be prevented, such restrictions would cause a steep decline in their property values, and the owners would undoubtedly seek redress.

amazingdrx

The microturbines ought to be powered by solid oxide fuel cells running off biogas from the waste from this building. That would eliminate the need for fossil fuel backup.

Go for it SOM! I sure like their use of geothermal cooling! Excellent.

DG

John,

I had a similar thought, but I can't imagine that the architects haven't planned for that. I mean, I know almost nothing about this sort of thing, and it occurred to *me*. It had to have occurred to them.

Dave Huntsman

"I can't imagine that they would choose microturbines for standby power. Electricity from the grid will always be less expensive."
Careful. Even in the south, the grid is over-burdened and relatively unreliable; and, predominantly fuelled by nice, clean (!) coal.
On the other hand: South and west China are rich in natural gas; and in fact an extremely large natural gas pipeline expansion is currently well underway. Using that natural gas to provide any needed or topping electrical power - instead of drawing on a sometimes overwhelmed, coal-fired grid during the worst possible demand times-- makes a lot of sense.
What would make even more sense would be to feed that natural gas to a large high-temperature fuel cell (e.g,, from Siemens, or FuelCell Energy), with a microturbine on the exhaust end of the fuel cell both for increased efficiency (about 60%), plus, capturing the microturbines' exhaust for hot water heating.
The size of this building might also justifiy an anerobic digester for human waste treatment; to pull out the 'natural' gas from it to also run the fuel cell/microturbine. Several companies in California and Japan (e.g, Gill's Onions, Kirin Brewery, Sierra Nevada brewery) use biowaste digesters to run their large fuel cells in this manner.
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amazingdrx

Cool so biogas to fuel cell/turbine is a reality at these companies already? Any links. Very good news!

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Peter

What this goes to show is that the energy problems we see as so very large will get solved in ways we can't imagine now. The real "natural resource" on this planet is human creativity. In the structure of a peaceful society with legal systems that allow good ideas to become reality, we will see these solutions flourish. The real challenge of the future is not limited energy supplies, but the nuture and care of this delicate thing we call civilization that enables these solutions to come about.

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My bet is that there will be be very serious noise and vibration problems to deal with. I would like to know the details... how big the wind turbines are in diameter, how much power they can develop reletive to wind speed etc.

Alykhan Virani

A good idea to have the microturbines as a means of supplemental power. With the energy prices at such highs, its behoves us to become energy efficient.

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