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April 15, 2006

Turby Vertical Axis Windmill

Turby_vert_windmill Turby is a revolutionary vertical axis wind turbine designed for use in an urban or built-up environments. It is a 2.5 kilowatt wind generator designed for high rooftops and can generate enough electricity to reduce the electric bill of a typical home by two thirds. The Turby has 3 helically shaped composite blades located at a fixed distance from the shaft. It has very low vibrations, very low noise level and an excellent efficiency. 

Modern horizontal axis wind turbines (HAWT) usually have a rather high efficiency but their construction is expensive. They have to be directed in the direction of the wind, either manually or by the use of an on-board sensor control mechanism. Vertical-axis turbines do not need such a control system; it is completely irrelevant from which side the wind blows; the position of the rotor is always right. Because of their relative simplicity, their construction cost is much less than a HAWT.

The wind pulls the blades around on both the windward and leeward sides of the turbine which spreads the torque evenly over the entire revolution and the blades have an angle of attack less than 20 degrees. These two features combine to prevent the destructive pulsations and the noise of other turbines. Another advantage of the helical twist is that the blades generate torque well from upward-angled airflow which is frequently found in urban areas.

The only correct placement of the Turby is close to the middle of the roof on a mast with a height of 5 meters or higher. If placed near the prevailing wind roof edge the power will be reduced to about 1/3 of that of a centrally placed turbine because the turbine is most efficient when the wind is perpendicular to the turbine and when the turbine is exposed to winds from all directions.

Turbine Specifications:

Height                          2890 mm  (9.5 ft)
Diameter                      1999 mm  (6.6 ft)
Weight including blades 136 kg      (299 pounds)
Rated power                  2.5 kW @ 14 m/s (46 ft/s) wind speed
Peak power                   3.0 kW
Output                          220-240 V, 50 HZ (60HZ model under development)
Survival wind speed       55 m/s     (180 ft/sec)

More detailed specifications can be found in the referenced brochure.

The price of the basic Turby is 11,466 euros (US$13,881) plus the cost of a mast, foundation and installation expenses.  A detailed price list is referenced on the company website.

Thanks to the tip by the Extreme Technology blog

Resources:

Turby: The wind turbine for the built-up environment, Turby B.V. Brochure
Turby B.V. , Lochem, The Netherlands

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so, $14k for 2.5 kW wind. derate it at a generous 70% to 1.75kW and say I live in an area with expensive energy at $.1/kWhr, it'll only take me just over 9 years to break even for my device, excluding installation and money lost on interest.

nope, still not worth it to me.

Probably not worth it yet Shaun, but with federal/state subsidies it might be more interesting. What do you think, maybe 2-5k installation costs? For the total cost, a 9 year ROI (if possible) is tempting for me. Not doable yet of course...

One crucial chart is missing in the Turby information.

That is average annual windspeed versus kwh produced per year. Like this chart for GE utility scale wind machines (the chart labeled "Annual energy yeild: 3.6 mw").

http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/wind_turbines/en/36mw/36mw_data.htm

Also the "reduce the electric bill of a typical home by two thirds" figure is suspect.

Typical home power use is 10,000 kwh per year. The only figure mentioned in the Turby literature is 3,500 kwh per year.

I'm sorry to be a skeptic about any wind power effort, but I guess it is necessary in this case. I do like their design, but they need to provide better data so consumers can make an informed decision.

Utility scale wind contracts are based upon kwh production per year and cost per kwh, not on "rated power" or "capacity factor". These are misleading concepts often used in talking points from wind energy opponents.

Thanks, Jim for the excellent post about the "Turby"; one of my favorite subjects.

I've designed and repaired solar systems in Mexico, and I've worked on one "hybrid" system (solar and wind), and I can say from experience, whenever you talk about alternate energy, it's all about energy management.

Prior to installing a wind generator it is always a good idea to measure the wind, over a period of time, at various locations on your property (chart this) in order to determine the best location for the turbine.

The next thing I would do is use a device, like "Kill-A-Watt" to measure the energy usage of everything that uses electricity on your property (chart this).

Take a look at things that waste electricity (like Phantom loads), and eliminate them (you can do this easily by plugging them into a power strip that has an on/off switch. You could also replace all incandescent lights with compact fluorescents (or even better, LEDs). If affordable, you could replace old appliances with more energy efficient ones (especially air conditioners and refrigerators), replace electric appliances with gas ones (you can even get refrigerators that run off of gas), and replace your TVs and Computer Monitors with LCD screens (which use 1/4 the amount of energy).

If your household uses a lot of hot water you could install a solar hot water system (if you can't afford it, you could build your own from black PVC pipe). If you live in a warm climate you could vent the hot air out of your attic, and of course insulating the floor, ceiling, walls and windows always helps (in cold or warm climates).

If you would like to live off the grid, then you would need to install a bank of batteries, a charge controller and an inverter (if you have electronics in your house, you might want to consider an inverter that is true sine wave). If you live in a sunny climate, you could install some solar panels and have a "hybrid" system.

Managing your energy is real simple, although it is not something that most Americans are used to. If you have a wind generator, then you can use more energy when the wind is blowing (this is when you wash your clothes, or use your power saw, etc.). If you have a solar system, you can use more energy when the sun is shining. If you have a hybrid system, chances are when the sun is not shining the wind will be blowing (like in the case of a storm). What will make you real happy is when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. When there is no sun or wind (like at night), you will be running your house off of the batteries, so that is when it's a good time to be conservative. If there is no sun or wind for awhile, you will need a back-up generator to keep the batteries charged (it is more efficient to use the generator to charge your batteries than it is to run your house off of the generator).

Where alternate energy really starts to make sense is when you're building a new home, and taking advantage of any incentives that are available. It also makes sense if you want to live where grid electricity is not available.

http://www.quietrevolution.co.uk/downloads/quietrevolution_brochure.pdf

Check this vertical axis machine out, the company specifies the annual output in kwh at various average wind speeds. That is how the turby ought to be rated too.

It makes payback periods calculable. Providing consumers with realistic data to make informed choices.

these style of turbines are certainly the way forward. i'm currently building an 18m x 4m carbon neutral houseboat in the centre of london and because of its location we have all sorts of crazy turbulances and wind directions. this design harvests wind even if wind is blowing in every direction. check out the gorlov helix water turbine which is strikingly similar to the xco2 and the turby. how about a turbine that works with both water and wind, adjusable so one can chose the optimum power source. something like that anyway..

Is there any Cos who offer a domestic solar panel or wind turbine which is connected to an electrolyser to generate and store hydrogen ??

Please send all information relative to Turby cost and installation

Dear All,

We have developed low RPM generator of 500W and looking for innovative vertical turbine blades. Please contact us if you have an design, idea or knowledge.

Thank you in advance.

hy there.
i just see turby today, and i think that is really a cool product.
the prices will soon come down, and we need to think in clean technologies to help out the envierment!


fron Brazil!

I have been looking for years for allterative electric source. But none I have see through today will work in a practical house situation. The cost is to high by the time you repay the cost of equipment the system will be out dated. The government spends our dollars to fight for oil which we will not be using in 50 YEARS because of global warming. I have solar panels on the house that no longer serve a purpose is there any good ideas out there.

I have been looking for years for allterative electric source. But none I have see through today will work in a practical house situation. The cost is to high by the time you repay the cost of equipment the system will be out dated. The government spends our dollars to fight for oil which we will not be using in 50 YEARS because of global warming. I have solar panels on the house that no longer serve a purpose is there any good ideas out there.

Hey guys, you're all arguing over obsolescence and payback periods. What about the CO2 not generated - Priceless!!!!

I woul like to build a Turby like wind gen for my appartment. Why Turby? Because of the tubulance of wind and noise sensitivity of neighbours. Any facts you can post on this design wold be fantastic.

The Turby is a great idea, but it is way over priced even for a new product. There is really not much to it. There is 100's maybe 1000's of times more technology, moving parts, rubber and steel that goes into building a "high end" garden tractor for a price of about $5000 to $7000 us.
I am a welder and a mechanic by hobby and a software developer by trade and I am considering building one.

would like demostration model for presentation and possible sales in USA.
I believe in this product and it's capabilities and would like to promote it in
the USA.

ALBERT W, TOOMER JR.

I owen american international engineering.I manufacture solar collectors parable shape iam interested in small vertical wind generators. We sand cast in aluminum parts I would like to cast fore wind turbines

would like to staet selling turby system in the us cant seem to get ahold of company can you help me please thank you

See info related to the high efficiency innovative blades of VAWT at www.tonchev.org

See info related to the high efficiency innovative blades of VAWT at www.tonchev.org

See info related to the high efficiency innovative blades of VAWT at www.tonchev.org

See info related to the high efficiency innovative blades of VAWT at www.tonchev.org

Where can one purchase the Turby

vertical axis turbines were researched by the canadian government labs (NRC) for 30 years. Millions of dollars spent and some major units tested. The end result is very clear: they cannot compete with horizontal axis turbines with efficient aerofoil blades. Most are simply variations on the Savonious or Darreous units and offer very low efficiencies. The physics is simple; there is very little energy is low wind speeds and this is even less available in highly turbulent environments. There is no free lunch.

As Don Seay (Nov. 11,07) mentions, a lot of work has been done on 'lift'-type VAWTs (Vertical Axis Wind Turbines) in the last century, mostly on those with fixed-pitch blades, e.g. the Darrieus turbine. I am not aware of any papers that adequately decribe the aerodynamics of this type and statements about efficiency are hard to
find. There is at least one aspect in which the VAWT is superior to the HAWT namely that they are omni-directional. A very major advantage, (even though the fixed -
blade ones are not self-starting). But also, the power output can conveniently be taken directly from the vertical shaft, mechanically, at ground level! I would be grateful for any useful technical references!

Dear Respective company,

We have a keen interest in the Turby Windmill vertical Axis. We are willing to visit and meet with Mr. Slider and the team in our attempt to secure additional information with respect to this product and perhaps validate the marketing ans sales of the vertical Axis windmill in a much needed Middle East territory. I am addressing Lebanon, Kuwait, Egypt...etc. I am aware that further research is being conducted toward consolidating the wind factor with the Solar powers and would appreciate your utmost reply into scheduling an appointment to meet in Holland. Please forward a direct e-mail address or telephone number that i may contact you and attend an audience with your team.For reference, my tel NUmber is 965-900-8000

Sincerely
Nasser Alqaddomi
G.M.
Gibraltar Tech Trading and Cont.

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